There is a moment in Stanley Kubrick’s The Shining (1980) in which novelist
Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson) gazes into a scale model of a labyrinth that
lies just outside the walls of the Overlook Hotel, the remote ski resort where
he and his family are spending the winter. In that model he sees the real thing,
and in that real thing he will eventually become lost and perish. The labyrinth
is a trap. The movie is a labyrinth. The trap is the movie.
Based
on the novel by Stephen King, The
Shining was Kubrick’s one stab at horror. It’s a story of familial collapse,
writer’s block and cabin fever. (It may also be a ghost story, though that’s up
for debate.) But after you see Rodney Ascher’s remarkable essay film Room 237, named after an especially
troublesome room at the Overlook, you might start to believe that The Shining is also about the
Holocaust, the colonization of the Americas, and how NASA faked the moon
landing. The film is structured around interviews with five subjects who each
have exceedingly elaborate theories about the film’s real meanings, theories
based on architectural inconsistencies, typewriters, canned foods, posters,
carpeting and the number of vehicles in a parking lot. Ascher weaves these
interviews into a symphony of fringe scholarship and film clips, a beguiling,
immersive homage to obsessive interpretation and the looming power of a work of
art in which no seemingly inexplicable detail can possibly be the result of
mere accident.
Producer Tim Kirk and director Rodney Ascher
I
spoke with Ascher and producer Tim Kirk during last year’s Toronto
International Film Festival, where Room
237 screened to the delight of the city’s most ardent cinephiles. We met at
the Fairmont Royal York Hotel, which, though located in the heart of Canada’s
biggest city, retains just enough aging luxury to evoke the appropriate
creepiness.
JB: In the press notes for Room 237 you mention how you guys would
take walks with your children to discuss The
Shining. There’s something creepy about that. I guess because, amongst the
apparently infinite number of readings one can apply to the film, it is also parable
about families falling apart.
Rodney Ascher: Absolutely. One of the
interesting things about re-watching The
Shining over the course of 30 years is noting how your relationship to it
changes. As a kid, Danny is your surrogate. Yet as we enter other stages of our
lives, Jack becomes this cautionary figure. Perhaps in another 30 years I’ll be
identifying with the ghosts.
Tim Kirk: What makes that idea of us
walking with our children even creepier is that when you’re with your kids the
goal is to be present, yet Rodney and I would be there, several layers of
theory in—that Aztec reading, how does that align with the reading involving
Native Americans?
JB: Your roles in this project seem primarily
curatorial. But as you began compiling these different readings, were there any
that you were especially persuaded by?
TK: We had moments with almost everyone
where suddenly the hairs would go up on the back of the neck and you’d think,
“Oh my god, are they right? And if so, what does that mean with regards to this
film and the universe and how I understand life?”
RA: As you watch Room 237 you’re spending five or six minutes with each of these
people at a time. Making the film, I listened to these interviews for hours. I
didn’t always understand what the subjects were talking about when we were conducting
the interviews. But then I would bring it into the computer and start lining it
up with the footage, and suddenly think, “Right on the money.” I should add
that I was making this movie after my kids’ bedtime, so it’s three in the
morning when I’m putting scenes together. I would almost always believe
everything while I was working on it.
JB: You spend enough time immersed in something
and you start to demand to a consistent logic. You want the mirror world to
make sense in the way the real world is supposed to make sense. So by the time Juli
Kearns is addressing the geography of the Overlook Hotel and these windows that
shouldn’t be there, I’m thinking, “I know this is fiction, but still, if those
windows aren’t logical then there must
be a reason!”
RA: That’s because other movies don’t have
as concrete a sense of space as The
Shining. Perhaps they’re shot with long lenses and the background is often
just a blur. But here you have this film
shot with wide-angle lenses and long takes that are snaking through hallways,
so you get such a strong sense of this being a real space.
TK: I’m really drawn to your thought there,
that as a viewer entering a cinema, especially with someone like Kubrick, who
has a reputation of being in control of every frame, you feel like there’s this
unwritten contract that this world is going to make sense in the way that you
understand the real world. So that Kubrick messes with that contract is one of
the things that’s so compelling about The
Shining.
JB: Someone in Room 237 makes a point of saying that intentionality is not an
essential component of any reading of a work of art. But Kubrick being the kind
of artist that he was makes it impossible not to see intention everywhere—there
surely can’t be such a thing as a continuity error. And someone else points out
that The Shining is, for the most
part, a barely supernatural story, so we can’t simply chalk things up to sheer
inexplicability.
RA: There are many supernatural events in
the novel, but in the movie, the only time when something clearly supernatural
occurs is when the door gets unlocked. And even there, John Fell Ryan came up
with a logical explanation as to how that happened. So while there are a lot of
bizarre tableaus, what’s physically happening is not so strange. Many have
suggested that Jack is simply talking to himself. One theory we weren’t able to
use points out that whenever Jack is talking to the ghosts there’s always a
mirror opposite him.
JB: Because Kubrick seemed to have no
special interest in horror or the supernatural, I wonder if part of the reason
why The Shining is especially
magnetic has to do with that tension between the material and the director’s
MO. As I watched Room 237 I kept
asking myself if your movie could be about another movie, if you could apply a
similar tack to any number of works.
RA: Our research didn’t yield too many
films that generated a body of exegesis to rival that of The Shining’s.
TK: Though I’m surprised that there’s not
as much about 2001. Eyes Wide Shut is a growth industry
right now. There’s a lot of writing going on about that one.
JB: Interesting that you mention Eyes Wide Shut, because that and The Shining are both Kubrick films that
have never really gained critical consensus.
RA: Several of our commentators talk about
not loving The Shinning when they
first saw it, yet they felt some strange moth-to-flame attraction that prompted
them to go back to it.
TK: That impossible geography had a lot to
do with me wanting to go back to The
Shining. It felt like a dream. I knew there was something wrong. Juli’s
theory was part of the honey that I got stuck in.
RA: She’s taken that theory to a level or
two deeper than we get to in Room 237,
where she even tracks the paths that characters take through certain rooms in
different scenes, and then she superimposes those maps… Every time I mention
something that didn’t get in the movie I feel this sting. Some might think that
an hour and 40 minutes is a lot of time to talk about metaphors and secret
messages in The Shining, but it
could have been three hours long and still we would have only grazed the tip of
the iceberg.
JB: It could have been longer for me. I
think about Zodiac, another movie
that deals with obsession and the unanswerable, and is on the long side. I’ve
heard people complain about Zodiac’s
length, but my response is always “How can you expect to get a strong feeling
for the accumulation of suspicion and paranoia and obsessive investment without
that duration?”
RA: Such a great sense of time passing in Zodiac.
JB: I felt similar with 237. A prudent 75-minute version would
never have the punch of something that, in the best possible sense, is
overstaying its welcome just a little. It needs to have that feeling that maybe
it could go on forever.
RA: Which is why we tried to end it like a
circuit, going back to the beginning. It was clear early in our research that
we weren’t going to exhaust every major theory. We wanted to suggest that
there’s so much more—and it’s still happening. I was looking at a YouTube video
that a friend of Jay Weidner’s had made. There was this moment in The Shining where he’d heard an
off-screen voice speaking the word “Shown.” Like “Shinning” in past-tense. This
happens two or three times.
TK: And he found that it occurred at key
transitional moments for Jack.
RA: Then I revisited Juli Kearns’ website and
found that she also heard that “Shown.” I became really intrigued by the notion
that if someone watched this movie in a supremely concentrated way, this
anomaly would suddenly manifest so that everyone could hear it. [Laughs] It didn’t exist before, but was
introduced into the film by sheer force of will.
JB: I think Philip K. Dick would have loved
that theory.
[Everyone
laughs]
JB: Going back to the way The Shining changes over time, when I
first saw the film I was a small child and it scared the hell out of me. Coming
back to it as an adult the effect is very different. It’s a common enough
complaint, but it started to bother me that Nicholson already seems bonkers at
the beginning of the film, and thus there’s no real suspense. Yet after seeing 237 I came to the conclusion that maybe
that’s why The Shining is one of
those films that you obsessively re-watch, because you’re not watching to
experience a dynamic narrative arc—you’re watching it as an ambient experience.
The backwards-forwards screening you included in 237 supports this idea. There is no arc, no change. Because Jack’s
always been there.
RA: The forwards-backwards thing is so
interesting. People think of Kubrick as a symmetrical filmmaker, but they’re usually
thinking this with regards to composition. His work is symmetrical in time as
well. Full Metal Jacket is a film
made of two halves designed to echo each other. But regarding your feeling
about the film’s lack of character development, I know people say that Jack
seems crazy at the beginning, but every time I watch the film I’m always
rooting for him, hoping he’s going to get his act together. [Laughs] This time we’re going to work
through things!
JB: Critics have really responded to your film,
and I think one reason for this is that, not to be disrespectful to your
subjects, but it feels like a parody of film criticism, of how certain critics
can get to a point where we’re so determined to stake a claim that we start
analyzing minutia as though it’s the essence of the text.
RA: That makes a lot of sense, though it’s
not something we talked about.
TK: We wanted to let our subjects present
their ideas as best we could.
RA: We tried to get the audience to see the
movie through their eyes.
JB: And the choice to not have your
subjects appear on camera, was that because you didn’t want to have viewers be
distracted by judgments about how these people look or what kind of space they
inhabit.
TK: That was one consideration. We also
didn’t want real-world credentials. We don’t introduce Bill Blakemore as a
journalist; we just use his name.
RA: There’s also something about the essay
film style that exists better in the world of imagination than on a couch in
somebody’s office. It gets more under your skin.
JB: This approach reminds us of the power
of just having a voice in people’s heads. The imagery in 237 is already familiar to its viewers, so what moves the film
forward mainly has to do with these ideas, with these voices in the ether—they
could even be voices in Jack’s head.
RA: Someone described them as ghosts. I
love that idea.
TK: And you can’t always tell who’s
talking. That’s pleasingly disorienting as well.
RA: I’ve read some critics who say that
idea A is baloney, while idea B is really meaningful. And it seemed that they
weren’t aware that both ideas came from the same person.
JB: I suppose the fake moon landing is
probably the one that feels closest to conspiracy theory thinking.
RA: And yet its logic is consistent. That
one really turned into a rabbit hole for me when I started to watch the special
features on the 2001 DVD. I did my
own research and it started to become more plausible for me. John Fell Ryan
says that this is the great trap: once you start looking for clues, you just
keep finding them. And they never stop appearing.